Nextcloud AMA!!
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@RojoLoco said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Any plans to make a version for windows server?
Does the existing version run on Windows? It's PHP and standard components.
Sorry if this is answered, Internet has been down for half an hour and I've been in the process of replying all this time.
Nextcloud doesn't run on Windows as much of what we do has to do with the filesystem and Windows has been a pita in that area. It used to require us to maintain an entirely separate filesystem abstraction just to have it not break all the time. If Windows ups its standard there, offering a full transparent, posix-compatible FS then I guess it will be easy... But we don't want to go the route of having all kinds of special cases anymore as that just results in exploding test cases and breakage.
No real value to it on Windows. Just incurs costs and overhead. Since the other options are fast and free and stable
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@StrongBad said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@RojoLoco As a server OS? We tried to do this in the past but PHP on Windows is just not very good. So the recommended way is to run a Linux VM on the Windows Server. This works fine.
And no licensing issues.
Linux on Windows is still on Windows. It still requires full Windows licensing.
I'm not sure what you're driving at? If you install a Linux VM on a Windows server, I'm pretty sure you can access that Linux VM at no additional Windows licensing costs.
No you can't, you are on top of Windows and Windows requires a CAL for every user that accesses that. Linux is an "application" running on Windows at that point and subject to all of the normal licensing restrictions of Windows.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
That would indeed be an awesome feature. I have no idea how it does that, though. If it is only WebDAV then it should work already somehow, I'd think. But I think that it needs more.
Having this integration would allow me to move away from Windows file shares. But using NextCloud and either using the sync client (not possible for large shared volumes) or making users download/upload via a browser interface makes this a non starter for me.
I'm not looking for a solution that just replaces open network shares, I'm hoping for one that moves us to the next level - thinking LANless and syncless here. -
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
But this is a real server - so if you're running this, shouldn't it be it's own VM sitting next to the Windows box on the hypervisor of your choice?
That would fix it, but bypasses the "on Windows" question in every way.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@StrongBad said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@RojoLoco As a server OS? We tried to do this in the past but PHP on Windows is just not very good. So the recommended way is to run a Linux VM on the Windows Server. This works fine.
And no licensing issues.
Linux on Windows is still on Windows. It still requires full Windows licensing.
I'm not sure what you're driving at? If you install a Linux VM on a Windows server, I'm pretty sure you can access that Linux VM at no additional Windows licensing costs.
No you can't, you are on top of Windows and Windows requires a CAL for every user that accesses that. Linux is an "application" running on Windows at that point and subject to all of the normal licensing restrictions of Windows.
oh - didn't realize it worked like that - well, in that case, yeah, running it on Windows is just crazy unless you're already fully licensed for that setup, then it's just another application
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@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@dafyre Sure. The Spreed is improving fast. Will be a lot better in the next release. We also want to promote the email and chat integration more. And we plan to integrate all this communication channels more into each other in the future.
I'm using the email (in testing, not as our main client) in conjunction with Zimbra as the email server and so far it has been really good. The interface is really nice. Have not touched the cat function, we use Rocket.Chat for that and would be hard pressed to justify leaving.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@StrongBad said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@RojoLoco As a server OS? We tried to do this in the past but PHP on Windows is just not very good. So the recommended way is to run a Linux VM on the Windows Server. This works fine.
And no licensing issues.
Linux on Windows is still on Windows. It still requires full Windows licensing.
I'm not sure what you're driving at? If you install a Linux VM on a Windows server, I'm pretty sure you can access that Linux VM at no additional Windows licensing costs.
No you can't, you are on top of Windows and Windows requires a CAL for every user that accesses that. Linux is an "application" running on Windows at that point and subject to all of the normal licensing restrictions of Windows.
oh - didn't realize it worked like that - well, in that case, yeah, running it on Windows is just crazy unless you're already fully licensed for that setup, then it's just another application
Yeah, any application on top of Windows incurs CAL requirements. DNS, DHCP, AD, third party apps, Spiceworks, doesn't matter. It's the same licensing stuff that makes tools like SW unable to be licensed on desktop OSes because of the network connections qualifying it as a server.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@dafyre Sure. The Spreed is improving fast. Will be a lot better in the next release. We also want to promote the email and chat integration more. And we plan to integrate all this communication channels more into each other in the future.
I'm using the email (in testing, not as our main client) in conjunction with Zimbra as the email server and so far it has been really good. The interface is really nice. Have not touched the cat function, we use Rocket.Chat for that and would be hard pressed to justify leaving.
Perhaps an integration with RocketChat is warranted as well!
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
As you can see in the screenshot, when I clicked on the "One Drive - Personal" on the top right it opened a standard windows File dialog box but the address bar shows
Clicking on it reveals the full URL in standard form: https://d.docs.live.net/c44d01487196d328
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@IRJ said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@IRJ Yes. There are always big and cool new features coming.
Actually the Nextcloud community is more active then ever. But it's not clear yet which features make it into the next major version. So we have to wait until the first beta is done. No teasers?
Yeah, we want to know juicy details !
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
Microsoft has some information here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35474) about how to get that to happen. (Granted, it is for Office 2013)
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@dafyre said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
Microsoft has some information here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35474) about how to get that to happen. (Granted, it is for Office 2013)
That requires a local sync.
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@dafyre said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
Microsoft has some information here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35474) about how to get that to happen. (Granted, it is for Office 2013)
That requires a local sync.
Potentially. If they do what MS does and point straight to the Web URL... maybe not... Just food for thought.
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
As you can see in the screenshot, when I clicked on the "One Drive - Personal" on the top right it opened a standard windows File dialog box but the address bar shows
Clicking on it reveals the full URL in standard form: https://d.docs.live.net/c44d01487196d328
so can't you just enter webdav://mycloud.com/webdav/files/shareddocs/awesome/ there? (just making up a webdav URL here)...
That is what I do in my linux applications
An alternative is to mount the webdav as a drive and just open files in the file open dialog, click on the virtual drive and open & save from there.
I am sorry, I have no windows experience
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
As you can see in the screenshot, when I clicked on the "One Drive - Personal" on the top right it opened a standard windows File dialog box but the address bar shows
Clicking on it reveals the full URL in standard form: https://d.docs.live.net/c44d01487196d328
so can't you just enter webdav://mycloud.com/webdav/files/shareddocs/awesome/ there? (just making up a webdav URL here)...
That is what I do in my linux applications
An alternative is to mount the webdav as a drive and just open files in the file open dialog, click on the virtual drive and open & save from there.
I am sorry, I have no windows experience
Can I? Of course I can. But I also can think for myself and any number of other things that users cannot do.
Users cannot be trained to do that.
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@dafyre said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@dafyre said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
Microsoft has some information here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35474) about how to get that to happen. (Granted, it is for Office 2013)
That requires a local sync.
Potentially. If they do what MS does and point straight to the Web URL... maybe not... Just food for thought.
No, it is right in the document. I have looked at this before.
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
As you can see in the screenshot, when I clicked on the "One Drive - Personal" on the top right it opened a standard windows File dialog box but the address bar shows
Clicking on it reveals the full URL in standard form: https://d.docs.live.net/c44d01487196d328
so can't you just enter webdav://mycloud.com/webdav/files/shareddocs/awesome/ there? (just making up a webdav URL here)...
That is what I do in my linux applications
An alternative is to mount the webdav as a drive and just open files in the file open dialog, click on the virtual drive and open & save from there.
I am sorry, I have no windows experience
We're trying to avoid actually mounting anything... As @JaredBusch said, the users likely will break it first.
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@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@FATeknollogee On Nextcloud.com you can download fully configured VMs. Should be easy to run.
We have some pretty easy install instructions around ML, too. And I'm working on same DevOps installation methods right now. Hoping to have a Salt installer for the single node installation soon. Perfect for installing on Scale or Vultr, for example.
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Normal users can't be asked to type something in. Heck it's hard enough sometimes getting them to browse through and find the s: drive.
To make this really user-centric, it needs to have a button inside the save dialog that allows them to browse to where they want to open/save a file, like JB's example.
My whole thinking is a way to move from the current workflows of today and network shares to a future workflow of accessing things directly through the apps.
This is how most mobile apps work.
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If WebDAV works, just in theory, what would be nice is an integration so that we can push it out to MS Office somehow.
Or likewise, to LibreOffice
