Best speakers for School Epson projector
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@wirestyle22 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller
Then I've proven the audiophile is not me
Funnily enough, I learned to be an audiophile while living in Flint.
I'd be interested in a write up if you're willing @scottalanmiller. Something I've wanted to learn about for awhile
@Mike-Ralston builds speakers in his spare time as well. You do the right amount of persuasion I figure he could probably teach you anything you want to know on the subject
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@FiyaFly Funnily enough, I JUST made a post about my most recent pair in the "What Are You Doing Right Now" thread.
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@Mike-Ralston said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly Funnily enough, I JUST made a post about my most recent pair in the "What Are You Doing Right Now" thread.
and I just commented on it before this all was said
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@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
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@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
Well movie + audiophile don't go together. Movie sound is effect based, not accurate reproduction based. Surround is for cinemaphiles, not audiophiles. Surround sound is the enemy of good sound. Things like subwoofers and center channels have no place in audiophilia. You can do audiophile surround sound, but it's 4.0 only. Any number of channels over 4 is a gimmick that lowers sound quality.
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@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
Well movie + audiophile don't go together. Movie sound is effect based, not accurate reproduction based. Surround is for cinemaphiles, not audiophiles. Surround sound is the enemy of good sound. Things like subwoofers and center channels have no place in audiophilia. You can do audiophile surround sound, but it's 4.0 only. Any number of channels over 4 is a gimmick that lowers sound quality.
Aww, definitions, thanks!!
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@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
So does stereo.
I have no idea how they record 5.1, 7.1, etc audio tracks, or if it's all faked in some way..
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@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
For music sure.
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@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
So does stereo.
I have no idea how they record 5.1, 7.1, etc audio tracks, or if it's all faked in some way..
Stereo is not (necessarily.) Stereo is recorded with two microphones and each channel is played from the original source (on good recordings.) There is no recording mechanism or even concept for more than two channels (because we only have to two ears) and the idea of more channels, especially the point channels, is that they are not for reproduction but for sound effects.
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@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
For music sure.
Nope, you missed the point. It's better, period.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
For music sure.
Nope, you missed the point. It's better, period.
the problem with that is that most media have a dedicated center channel for dialog. Without that dialog can get muddled or lost.
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@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
For music sure.
Nope, you missed the point. It's better, period.
the problem with that is that most media have a dedicated center channel for dialog. Without that dialog can get muddled or lost.
Then your system is handling it wrong. Anything that is sent to the center channel sounds better when sent to the R and L channels equally. Literally, the center channel cannot improve the sound over stereo, it's not possible as you have no center ear. All the center channel does is break your perfect sound experience and risk colouration and cause reflection interference. In all seriousness, audio physics makes it impossible for a center channel to improve the sound quality.
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@scottalanmiller You're absolutely correct, but, the problem is with the format and the way it's handled. I believe that some forms of BluRay and Digital Downloads have it hardcoded that the dialogue is supposed to be sent to the center channel, which makes it muddled and kind of sounds like you put a box over the speaker if you remove that center channel, though, there are ways around this.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
For music sure.
Nope, you missed the point. It's better, period.
the problem with that is that most media have a dedicated center channel for dialog. Without that dialog can get muddled or lost.
Then your system is handling it wrong. Anything that is sent to the center channel sounds better when sent to the R and L channels equally. Literally, the center channel cannot improve the sound over stereo, it's not possible as you have no center ear. All the center channel does is break your perfect sound experience and risk colouration and cause reflection interference. In all seriousness, audio physics makes it impossible for a center channel to improve the sound quality.
well, then perhaps I have to find a way to turn off the center channel when using my receiver.. because when the center is simply unplugged, you can barely hear the dialog.
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@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
For music sure.
Nope, you missed the point. It's better, period.
the problem with that is that most media have a dedicated center channel for dialog. Without that dialog can get muddled or lost.
Then your system is handling it wrong. Anything that is sent to the center channel sounds better when sent to the R and L channels equally. Literally, the center channel cannot improve the sound over stereo, it's not possible as you have no center ear. All the center channel does is break your perfect sound experience and risk colouration and cause reflection interference. In all seriousness, audio physics makes it impossible for a center channel to improve the sound quality.
well, then perhaps I have to find a way to turn off the center channel when using my receiver.. because when the center is simply unplugged, you can barely hear the dialog.
If you go into the receiver and tell it there is no center channel speaker it will output it to both L&R
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@Mike-Ralston said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller You're absolutely correct, but, the problem is with the format and the way it's handled. I believe that some forms of BluRay and Digital Downloads have it hardcoded that the dialogue is supposed to be sent to the center channel, which makes it muddled and kind of sounds like you put a box over the speaker if you remove that center channel, though, there are ways around this.
It's coded there, but that's digitally decoded. Any decoder can decide to send that to the center channel or to the stereo channels. There is no mudding from the encoding process. It's simply a standard mono channel like any other. Mono is muddy.
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@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
For music sure.
Nope, you missed the point. It's better, period.
the problem with that is that most media have a dedicated center channel for dialog. Without that dialog can get muddled or lost.
Then your system is handling it wrong. Anything that is sent to the center channel sounds better when sent to the R and L channels equally. Literally, the center channel cannot improve the sound over stereo, it's not possible as you have no center ear. All the center channel does is break your perfect sound experience and risk colouration and cause reflection interference. In all seriousness, audio physics makes it impossible for a center channel to improve the sound quality.
well, then perhaps I have to find a way to turn off the center channel when using my receiver.. because when the center is simply unplugged, you can barely hear the dialog.
Um.... that should be pretty obvious why that doesn't work. Misconfiguring your system to be a broken 5.1 is not the same as using a 4.0. That's like saying that mono only has half the sound because you unplugged the left speaker. Half of stereo and mono are not the same. 2.0 or 4.1 (in this case) and borked 5.1 are different things.
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@brianlittlejohn said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@travisdh1 said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@Dashrender said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@scottalanmiller said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
@FiyaFly said in Best speakers for School Epson projector:
This seems to be incredibly subjective. This really depends on HOW much better, and what they're willing to pay for. I mean, I know an audiophile who can design, build, and setup the entire room with properly proportioned surround sound with speakers that have a "true to sound" quality for several thousand, but something tells me that isn't what you're looking for.
LOL... audiophile and surround sound don't go together
I don't think I agree with that - but I'd have to check definitions to be sure... If you're a movie audiophile... I'd think you'd want surround more.. if you're a music audiophile.. then heck.. mono might be best.. but stereo is the norm.
I'd agree with @scottalanmiller on this one. I've got a 5.1 at home that sounds great. Still, any surround sound system has to modify the original signal.
If you don't have a screen to blast through, drop that center channel and your sound quality instantly improves. That center channel thing is the bane of sound quality.
For music sure.
Nope, you missed the point. It's better, period.
the problem with that is that most media have a dedicated center channel for dialog. Without that dialog can get muddled or lost.
Then your system is handling it wrong. Anything that is sent to the center channel sounds better when sent to the R and L channels equally. Literally, the center channel cannot improve the sound over stereo, it's not possible as you have no center ear. All the center channel does is break your perfect sound experience and risk colouration and cause reflection interference. In all seriousness, audio physics makes it impossible for a center channel to improve the sound quality.
well, then perhaps I have to find a way to turn off the center channel when using my receiver.. because when the center is simply unplugged, you can barely hear the dialog.
If you go into the receiver and tell it there is no center channel speaker it will output it to both L&R
And then the sound improves because you don't have this weird sound source floating in the middle of your soundstage disconnected from the stage itself.
