Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
You told him to try TrueOS. So he asked you if it would accept .deb packages. How did you get the idea that he is ruling them out? You told him about it.
Never got a response, that I noticed, that that was what he was asking about. TrueOS has its own enterprise package format system. Just like RPM and DEB. Chromium is included in the base repos.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
You told him to try TrueOS. So he asked you if it would accept .deb packages. How did you get the idea that he is ruling them out? You told him about it.
Never got a response, that I noticed, that that was what he was asking about. TrueOS has its own enterprise package format system. Just like RPM and DEB. Chromium is included in the base repos.
Right, and Chromium is in the repos for everything on the Linux side. But if you want H.264 streaming, AAC streaming, MP3 streaming (since the patent expired this year I would bet this changes), Flash, Silverlight (Netflix), etc you need regular Chrome.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
Not sure, he just got railed on for downloading Chrome the way Google has it packaged.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
Not sure, he just got railed on for downloading Chrome the way Google has it packaged.
Because he was downloading all kinds of things that way, like Wine and VMware Workstation for Windows.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
Not sure, he just got railed on for downloading Chrome the way Google has it packaged.
No he did not. He was trying to install the DEB, which is not what Google says to do, nor what we told him to do in the thread. We told him to do it the Google way in the thread - to use the repos as intended.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11562/chrome-browser-in-ubuntu-17-04/5
https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
Google tells you to use the repos, which is what we told him to do as well. Install the Google Chrome repo and let apt-get do the installation. He was trying to get the DEB without a repo, which means not getting the dependencies and not doing it either the Ubuntu nor the Google way.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
Not sure, he just got railed on for downloading Chrome the way Google has it packaged.
No he did not. He was trying to install the DEB, which is not what Google says to do, nor what we told him to do in the thread. We told him to do it the Google way in the thread - to use the repos as intended.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11562/chrome-browser-in-ubuntu-17-04/5
https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
Google tells you to use the repos, which is what we told him to do as well. Install the Google Chrome repo and let apt-get do the installation. He was trying to get the DEB without a repo, which means not getting the dependencies and not doing it either the Ubuntu nor the Google way.
So A: If you go to the site for Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html, it says nothing about the repos. And again specifically for Chrome, it sets the repos up for you, so
gdebi chrome-blah-blah.debdoes all of the work for you.Similarly, I can go manually set up the repos for RPMFusion under
/etc/yum.repos.d/or I can just download the RPM from their site and it sets up the repos. No different here. -
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
So A: If you go to the site for Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html, it says nothing about the repos.
It's Google. If you Google for Chrome Linux it sends you to the repo data, not that page.
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And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
So A: If you go to the site for Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html, it says nothing about the repos.
It's Google. If you Google for Chrome Linux it sends you to the repo data, not that page.
False. Second link is the page I posted.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
Defeats it in what way?
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
Defeats it in what way?
You didn't want to use the packages in the repos because they were "too old" and not Ansible 2(only like 1.8). So you ran rpmbuild to make Ansible 2.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
So A: If you go to the site for Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html, it says nothing about the repos.
It's Google. If you Google for Chrome Linux it sends you to the repo data, not that page.
False. Second link is the page I posted.
Literally the first response here. I didn't add the word "on".
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
Defeats it in what way?
You didn't want to use the packages in the repos because they were "too old" and not Ansible 2(only like 1.8). So you ran rpmbuild to make Ansible 2.
Right, because the goal was to install something not available from the repos. So if Chrome doesn't exist in a repo, then that would apply. But it does, so it doesn't.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
Defeats it in what way?
You didn't want to use the packages in the repos because they were "too old" and not Ansible 2(only like 1.8). So you ran rpmbuild to make Ansible 2.
Right, because the goal was to install something not available from the repos. So if Chrome doesn't exist in a repo, then that would apply. But it does, so it doesn't.
Why was that a goal if you are supposed to be using the packages in the repos? Chrome doesn't exist in repos other than their own. Ansible exists in the repos, just not the version you wanted (which is a limitation if sticking with the distro's repos).
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You are mixing things. What THIS discussion about is a Linux newbie who just needs some very basic OS included packages selected (plus maybe Chrome, we aren't sure) that should be from an added repo. There is no reason to be considering building anything or getting individual packages or using commands like DPKG. You are then referencing advanced server configuration stuff for experts that has the sole purpose of building something that is not in the repos for a totally different purpose. The two are not related.
What this and his other threads are about is just getting a laptop up and running so that he can program Java. He was not aware of repos, how Linux works, when packages are appropriate, that software even existed for Linux, etc. We are trying to get him up and running the right way, not trying to confuse him with loads of "well you COULD do it this way." He doesn't need Wine, we are pretty sure he doesn't need Chrome, he doesn't need to download lots of packages, they are all in the OS already.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Chrome doesn't exist in repos other than their own. Ansible exists in the repos, just not the version you wanted (which is a limitation if sticking with the distro's repos).
CHrome exists in official repos from the vendor and using them is what is recommended. Ansible does not and the goals of the Ansible 2 thread are wholly unrelated to this thread and those goals to his goals. My needs and his needs are not even kinda of similar.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Chrome doesn't exist in repos other than their own. Ansible exists in the repos, just not the version you wanted (which is a limitation if sticking with the distro's repos).
CHrome exists in official repos from the vendor and using them is what is recommended. Ansible does not and the goals of the Ansible 2 thread are wholly unrelated to this thread and those goals to his goals. My needs and his needs are not even kinda of similar.
Again, what I said is no different than installing the RPMFusion repo via an rpm package. It's exactly the same thing. Installing Chrome adds the repos. Done. That's an officially supported way to do it.
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No one is saying that the repos are the end all of everything or that outside repos are not to be used. But there IS an order of precedence and we are dealing with someone "learning system management basics" and he's struggling with understanding what Linux is and how you install software. Throwing those things at him would be unhelpful and counterproductive. He just needs to install what is available in the OS and he's done. It will all be managed for him. He has whole threads of issues causes simply by not having understood that software is included with the OS, that there are repos, or that things actually will run on Linux.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Ansible does not
It most certainly does.
Not the current Ansible that the discussion was about. Chrome is up to date in the repo, Ansible was not.
