Vendor Harassment Black List
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, how would this black-list work ? Would it be moderated ? How ?
"I'm thinking NTG is direct competitor .. wait, I have an idea .. let me add their name to vendor black-list ... just for shits n giggles ...hehehe ... :rowboat_tone4: "
How do we avoid a situation like this ?
How many phone calls have you gotten from NTG??? And that's why such an attempt at a BS entry would fail. Companies who phone harass are well known, as many here would have received harassing calls.
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@RojoLoco said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, how would this black-list work ? Would it be moderated ? How ?
"I'm thinking NTG is direct competitor .. wait, I have an idea .. let me add their name to vendor black-list ... just for shits n giggles ...hehehe ... :rowboat_tone4: "
How do we avoid a situation like this ?
How many phone calls have you gotten from NTG??? And that's why such an attempt at a BS entry would fail. Companies who phone harass are well known, as many here would have received harassing calls.
Anyone who tried to put a reputable company (regarded by many) on the black list would get some serious criticism and questioning.
"Derrrp let's put @BradfromxByte on the black list cause I'm a competitor!" ..... yeah I don't think so.
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, how would this black-list work ? Would it be moderated ? How ?
"I'm thinking NTG is direct competitor .. wait, I have an idea .. let me add their name to vendor black-list ... just for shits n giggles ...hehehe ... :rowboat_tone4: "
How do we avoid a situation like this ?
Well, because we are a community and no one gets the list automatically. Two, we never cold call so it would have zero impact on us
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So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
At this point... if they are harassing people, then no.
Not saying they don't make good gear, but more that their sales folks are not reputable enough to stay off the black list.
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we keep our own internal blacklist for pushy or harassing vendors. I had to actually cut one off the other day. I think a public one would be too easily abused / require too much verification and maintenance
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Definitely not. I've worked there, even IBM won't use IBM equipment. They are harassing by both email and phone. They are not what I'd call reputable in many contexts of that term.
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@Brains said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
we keep our own internal blacklist for pushy or harassing vendors. I had to actually cut one off the other day. I think a public one would be too easily abused / require too much verification and maintenance
See, and that's info that we would like to have. We don't have to have to make that same list of those same people ourselves. We'd love to share that data to save us both time.
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@BBigford said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
At this point... if they are harassing people, then no.
Not saying they don't make good gear, but more that their sales folks are not reputable enough to stay off the black list.
Exactly. And even if they were reputable.... 1) we are not even remotely a potential customer and 2) under what condition would we want a sales call from them?
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@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Definitely not. I've worked there, even IBM won't use IBM equipment. They are harassing by both email and phone. They are not what I'd call reputable in many contexts of that term.
(Just for the sake of this thread ) "Sir, I think IBM is a very reputable company .. I work for IBM, it seems like you've had a bad experience during your tenure with IBM, which is way you are defaming out company"
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So instead of "should we have a blacklist", let's first discuss....
Under what condition should any sales call make it through to IT or management?
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Definitely not. I've worked there, even IBM won't use IBM equipment. They are harassing by both email and phone. They are not what I'd call reputable in many contexts of that term.
(Just for the sake of this thread ) "Sir, I think IBM is a very reputable company .. I work for IBM, it seems like you've had a bad experience during your tenure with IBM, which is way you are defaming out company"
Not defaming, just repeating IBM's own official policy on itself. IF there is defamation, it's internal.
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Definitely not. I've worked there, even IBM won't use IBM equipment. They are harassing by both email and phone. They are not what I'd call reputable in many contexts of that term.
(Just for the sake of this thread ) "Sir, I think IBM is a very reputable company .. I work for IBM, it seems like you've had a bad experience during your tenure with IBM, which is way you are defaming out company"
Who's to say that entries on the blacklist couldn't be redetermined? Nothing is ever permanent. IPs get off blacklists every day.
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@scottalanmiller - while I back your intent, I don't think a community based black-list would work ...
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@Brains said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
we keep our own internal blacklist for pushy or harassing vendors. I had to actually cut one off the other day. I think a public one would be too easily abused / require too much verification and maintenance
I agree ...
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@scottalanmiller - while, I back your intent, I don't think a community based black-list would work ...
I agree, and a bigger issue I see is that the blacklist is purely up to the person who posts.
What's to say a member here is let go from a vendor and immediately blacklists their number.
Not everyone here is known for who they work for or with.
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Do you think they still are reputable, here in 2016???
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Do most people get calls from central company numbers, or the sales reps numbers? I get most of mine from the sales reps numbers... You could say "$person at $company is harassing me every day for this sale that I'm not giving them. Here's their direct line for blacklisting.... Also got a call from $otherPerson at $sameCompany today and they are just as bad. Here's their number too."
But in other cases it comes from a central number...
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@DustinB3403 said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@scottalanmiller - while, I back your intent, I don't think a community based black-list would work ...
I agree, and a bigger issue I see is that the blacklist is purely up to the person who posts.
What's to say a member here is let go from a vendor and immediately blacklists their number.
Not everyone here is known for who they work for or with.
Vetting the number could require two proven members' votes. Not an old account (from that person let go that's on here) and a new account (obviously being used to create the second vote)... not two brand new accounts. But two proven accounts that show some history and diversity on other posts. Like if @scottalanmiller & @RojoLoco voted that $company get put on the list. We know they are legit accounts, so the company gets entered on the list.
If a company rep requests their name be removed, then a whole different process comes down the pike of how they can get their name removed. One of those bullet points on the to-do list on how to get off the blacklist.... probably stop harassing people.
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@BBigford said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
Do most people get calls from central company numbers, or the sales reps numbers? I get most of mine from the sales reps numbers... You could say "$person at $company is harassing me every day for this sale that I'm not giving them. Here's their direct line for blacklisting.... Also got a call from $otherPerson at $sameCompany today and they are just as bad. Here's their number too."
But in other cases it comes from a central number...
Most sales reps, in my region, are on the field, for most parts . So, when we get cold calls, it's usually from their cell number ..
