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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch
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      http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/06/computer-crash-wipes-out-years-air-force-investigation-records/129049/

      Fraud and abuse investigations dating back to 2004 vanished when a database became corrupted, service officials said.

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      • BrainsB
        Brains
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        wow thats sad.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
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          @JaredBusch said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

          http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/06/computer-crash-wipes-out-years-air-force-investigation-records/129049/

          Fraud and abuse investigations dating back to 2004 vanished when a database became corrupted, service officials said.

          A co-worker told me about this, this morning.

          I just don't understand how Lockheed Martin doesn't have a backup of this data. Clearly the data is worthless right? No backup, must be worthless.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

            I just don't understand how Lockheed Martin doesn't have a backup of this data. Clearly the data is worthless right? No backup, must be worthless.

            the data is clearly worthless.... to Lockheed. What do they care of USAF data? It's not their data, so worthless to them.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              I wonder if the USAF will charge anyone over this. Of course, the USAF wonders if they will too... since they don't know what they have done in the past.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                In addition to not taking backups....

                Lockheed took two weeks to notify the USAF. USAF took another week to notify Congress. Three weeks of hiding in shame?

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                • coliverC
                  coliver @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

                  In addition to not taking backups....

                  Lockheed took two weeks to notify the USAF. USAF took another week to notify Congress. Three weeks of hiding in shame?

                  Three weeks of trying to cover it up?

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
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                    Three weeks of developing a CYA story.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
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                      Although I think 3 weeks is a rather fast turn around for this to be announced.

                      My question would be, how and why didn't lockheed martin have a backup for this. Or was a backup deemed not worthwhile?

                      Either way heads should roll.

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                      • MattSpellerM
                        MattSpeller
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                        Textbook definition of RGE - resume generating event.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

                          Although I think 3 weeks is a rather fast turn around for this to be announced.

                          My question would be, how and why didn't lockheed martin have a backup for this. Or was a backup deemed not worthwhile?

                          Either way heads should roll.

                          Could be as simple as USAF didn't require it so LM wasn't responsible for it.

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                          • nick1818N
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                            Computer crash or somebody "crashed" it. We are talking about 100,000 investigations.

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                            • momurdaM
                              momurda
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                              Why is the USAF even outsourcing this job? Do they not have a sysadmin? Oh right, the entire DoD is overpaid 3rd party contractors now, from the likes of Lockheed, Siemens, GA, GD, SRA International and various other nincompoops.

                              12 years. In the last 12 years Lockheed has been paid hundreds of billions of dollars by you and me and 300 million other people in the US. This is what happens.
                              Lockheed gets paid no matter whether the solution works or not. The USAF cant cancel contracts with Lockheed, who else is going to do it? Boeing? doubt it, theyre too busy getting paid gobs of money to build refueling tankers and various other machines for killing people.
                              Not only should Lockheed lose most of their DoD contracts, the USAF personnel who have been bribed for decades to choose them for bids should probably be put on trial.

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                              • DashrenderD
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                                I don't understand the number of contractors involved in our military operations any more other than a way to play the shell game with money.

                                i.e. contractors don't count on the military budget, so they can appear to be shrinking the military budget while just shifting it to some other line item and actually paying more.

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                                • momurdaM
                                  momurda
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                                  Right, Dashrender, they do it so they dont have to pay for their own USAF IT people, or pay USAF IT people a wage worth working for. But at the same time, they pay so much money to these contractors are they actually saving money? Im not so sure, esp with the intangible costs like this situation right here.

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                                  • coliverC
                                    coliver
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                                    You make it sound like it is all about saving money... when a hex nut (by itself) costs 50-60$ then you know you have some corruption happening.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @momurda
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                                      @momurda said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

                                      Right, Dashrender, they do it so they dont have to pay for their own USAF IT people, or pay USAF IT people a wage worth working for. But at the same time, they pay so much money to these contractors are they actually saving money? Im not so sure, esp with the intangible costs like this situation right here.

                                      No they are not, they can't be!

                                      My brother made 20K in the military, got out became a private contractor doing the same job fro $120K.. WTF? Why aren't they just keeping military people and paying them say $60K or $80K.. whatever.

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                                      • travisdh1T
                                        travisdh1 @Dashrender
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                                        @Dashrender said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

                                        @momurda said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

                                        Right, Dashrender, they do it so they dont have to pay for their own USAF IT people, or pay USAF IT people a wage worth working for. But at the same time, they pay so much money to these contractors are they actually saving money? Im not so sure, esp with the intangible costs like this situation right here.

                                        No they are not, they can't be!

                                        My brother made 20K in the military, got out became a private contractor doing the same job fro $120K.. WTF? Why aren't they just keeping military people and paying them say $60K or $80K.. whatever.

                                        @Dashrender That's how the US government "cuts" budgets.

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                                        • thwrT
                                          thwr @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

                                          In addition to not taking backups....

                                          Lockheed took two weeks to notify the USAF. USAF took another week to notify Congress. Three weeks of hiding in shame?

                                          It takes some time to choose someone who will be promoted for this.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

                                            @momurda said in Computer Crash Wipes Out Years of Air Force Investigation Records:

                                            Right, Dashrender, they do it so they dont have to pay for their own USAF IT people, or pay USAF IT people a wage worth working for. But at the same time, they pay so much money to these contractors are they actually saving money? Im not so sure, esp with the intangible costs like this situation right here.

                                            No they are not, they can't be!

                                            My brother made 20K in the military, got out became a private contractor doing the same job fro $120K.. WTF? Why aren't they just keeping military people and paying them say $60K or $80K.. whatever.

                                            Not how it works for IT. I've worked for Lockheed, there are plenty of VERY low paying jobs there. Not all, of course, but lots.

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