ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse
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@scottalanmiller said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@JaredBusch said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
Also, going with a provider like Vultr, that blocks outbound port 25 by default means that you will have a very low probability of IP address issues.
That's true. But how would I get email out, then? I've not tested there, what do you do to enable it?
Email support. They responded in under a half an hour on a Sunday.
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Gotcha, so easy to do but enough that using it for a spammer would be problematic. That's good. I've not used email handling there so never noticed.
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@scottalanmiller said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
Gotcha, so easy to do but enough that using it for a spammer would be problematic. That's good. I've not used email handling there so never noticed.
I am using the service to test a FreePBX ISO install and wanted email to work.
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@scottalanmiller said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@aaronstuder said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3A45.33.80.245&run=toolpage
The IP address you have in fine..... Why not just use the one you have?
I checked since you posted this..... still blacklisted.
What is Google and MS using for blacklists? their own private stuff? and where are you seeing it blacklisted but aaron doesn't?
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@Dashrender said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
What is Google and MS using for blacklists? their own private stuff? and where are you seeing it blacklisted but aaron doesn't?
They probably do, that would be my guess. But my guess as to why he does not see it is probably because he checked the load balancer and not the server.
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Oh wait, no load balancer. So... no idea. I was thinking that CloudFlare was there, just didn't think for a moment. But we are not behind them. He had the right IP, it just didn't list properly.
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He had the right IP, it just didn't list properly.
I proved that it's not blacklisted, can you prove it is?
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@aaronstuder said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
He had the right IP, it just didn't list properly.
I proved that it's not blacklisted, can you prove it is?
You did no such thing. Of course I can.
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Here is the response from Microsoft:
mail.protection.outlook.com[207.46.163.42] said: 550 5.7.606 Access denied, banned sending IP [45.33.80.245].
You might have proved that you can't look up blacklists. You can't even suggest that you proved that we aren't blacklisted. That's not even a proveable thing.
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Google responds with basically the same code.
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@scottalanmiller said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
Here is the response from Microsoft:
mail.protection.outlook.com[207.46.163.42] said: 550 5.7.606 Access denied, banned sending IP [45.33.80.245].
You might have proved that you can't look up blacklists. You can't even suggest that you proved that we aren't blacklisted. That's not even a proveable thing.
Ug - Microsoft's hate for Scott rears it's ugly head again.
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@Dashrender said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@scottalanmiller said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
Here is the response from Microsoft:
mail.protection.outlook.com[207.46.163.42] said: 550 5.7.606 Access denied, banned sending IP [45.33.80.245].
You might have proved that you can't look up blacklists. You can't even suggest that you proved that we aren't blacklisted. That's not even a proveable thing.
Ug - Microsoft's hate for Scott rears it's ugly head again.
Ha ha.
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http://multirbl.valli.org/dnsbl-lookup/45.33.80.245.html
Looks blacklisted to me....
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@scottalanmiller said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
Here is the response from Microsoft:
mail.protection.outlook.com[207.46.163.42] said: 550 5.7.606 Access denied, banned sending IP [45.33.80.245].
You might have proved that you can't look up blacklists. You can't even suggest that you proved that we aren't blacklisted. That's not even a proveable thing.
I just read this and realized that the stress could be taken the wrong way. I didn't mean that YOU can't look up blacklists. I meant it to mean that it cannot be done reliably. No one can do it. You can try, you can do lookups to meta lists of them and get a decent idea. But there is no possible way for any service to be definitive and, as you see here, even huge ones are quite likely to fail.
Blacklisting and getting delisted is sometimes simple, sometimes hard, sometimes impossible.
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@Danp said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
http://multirbl.valli.org/dnsbl-lookup/45.33.80.245.html
Looks blacklisted to me....
Well there is a lists of 5 more places that need to be cleaned up.. then try MS again.
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@Danp said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
http://multirbl.valli.org/dnsbl-lookup/45.33.80.245.html
Looks blacklisted to me....
It's blacklisted on 4 out of 220 list. That's only 1.8%.
Missing 1.8% of the email, seems better then no emails at all....
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@aaronstuder said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@Danp said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
http://multirbl.valli.org/dnsbl-lookup/45.33.80.245.html
Looks blacklisted to me....
It's blacklisted on 4 out of 220 list. That's only 1.8%.
Missing 1.8% of the email, seems better then no emails at all....
Nope, that is not how it works.
And how do you know that 99% of your customers are not on Office 365?
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@JaredBusch said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@aaronstuder said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@Danp said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
http://multirbl.valli.org/dnsbl-lookup/45.33.80.245.html
Looks blacklisted to me....
It's blacklisted on 4 out of 220 list. That's only 1.8%.
Missing 1.8% of the email, seems better then no emails at all....
Nope, that is not how it works.
And how do you know that 99% of your customers are not on Office 365?
It's extremely likely that O365 and Google is reading one of those 5 places, hence the black listing problems.
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@aaronstuder said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@Danp said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
http://multirbl.valli.org/dnsbl-lookup/45.33.80.245.html
Looks blacklisted to me....
It's blacklisted on 4 out of 220 list. That's only 1.8%.
Missing 1.8% of the email, seems better then no emails at all....
1.8%? What if every email service reads those four lists? Office 365 either uses their own or those. Google either uses their own or those? Those two represent the highest volume of potential users, not 1.8%, easily 50% or more.
And each list does not represent one email provider. Email systems often query many of those RBLs. It was common ten years ago to leverage huge meta lists of blacklists to make sure that you were catching everyone. So even appearing on a single popular blacklist might block you from 90% of all email systems. So what you see as 1.8% or less, is easily 90% or more.
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@Dashrender said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@JaredBusch said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@aaronstuder said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
@Danp said in ML's Email Blacklisting BS Excuse:
http://multirbl.valli.org/dnsbl-lookup/45.33.80.245.html
Looks blacklisted to me....
It's blacklisted on 4 out of 220 list. That's only 1.8%.
Missing 1.8% of the email, seems better then no emails at all....
Nope, that is not how it works.
And how do you know that 99% of your customers are not on Office 365?
It's extremely likely that O365 and Google is reading one of those 5 places, hence the black listing problems.
Also pretty likely that they run their own.
