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    • NETSN
      NETS
      last edited by

      So without a UTM device how are you monitoring the network and locking down the traffic?

      I know there are other methods but a UTM seems to provide an easy way to accomplish this in an SMB environment

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      • J
        Jason Banned @NETS
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        @NETS said:

        So without a UTM device how are you monitoring the network and locking down the traffic?

        I know there are other methods but a UTM seems to provide an easy way to accomplish this in an SMB environment

        Netflow on your router then another device (IDS/IPS) can look at traffic and modify to block it if needed. Ours is actually called a Network Behavior Anomaly Detection. There's open source ones too I'm sure.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @NETS
          last edited by

          @NETS said:

          So without a UTM device how are you monitoring the network and locking down the traffic?

          I know there are other methods but a UTM seems to provide an easy way to accomplish this in an SMB environment

          In the SMB, one idea floated is to move way from the LAN altogether to a LANless design. Don't trust the local or any network. Protecting people from the websites they visit is difficult at best and impossible at worst, it's a moving target, and normally good site can be hacked and and suddenly start dishing out bad stuff.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @NETS
            last edited by

            @NETS said:

            So without a UTM device how are you monitoring the network and locking down the traffic?

            1. What is the actual need here? A firewall already monitors and locks down the traffic. Those are not UTM functions.
            2. With a UTM, how are you doing it?
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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @NETS
              last edited by

              @NETS said:

              I know there are other methods but a UTM seems to provide an easy way to accomplish this in an SMB environment

              Sure, but a firewall is just as easy. So what's the benefit to the UTM? UTMs are costly and often introduce big bottlenecks to the network. In what way do you see them justifying their extra cost to purchase and maintain?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said:

                @NETS said:

                So without a UTM device how are you monitoring the network and locking down the traffic?

                I know there are other methods but a UTM seems to provide an easy way to accomplish this in an SMB environment

                In the SMB, one idea floated is to move way from the LAN altogether to a LANless design. Don't trust the local or any network. Protecting people from the websites they visit is difficult at best and impossible at worst, it's a moving target, and normally good site can be hacked and and suddenly start dishing out bad stuff.

                Not just in the SMB, but the SMB will lead here but the nature of being easier to be agile.

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                • larsen161L
                  larsen161 @wirestyle22
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                  @wirestyle22 I've managed to kit out my home network entirly with Meraki gear I've acquired through webinars and cheap eBay sales. Currently using an MX60 which I picked up for £40 that included a little less than 1yr of the Advanced Security license on it.

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                  • dafyreD
                    dafyre
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                    We had a UTM applicance that was excellent for web filtering and sucked big time for IPS.

                    I cut the IPS off and ran Snort / Suricata for a few years in-line so I could actively block the attacks and things like P2P It was awesome. Sadly, our Badnwidth outpaced the hardware and we had it converted to an IDS out of band so it just monitored.

                    I am a HUGE believer in knowing what is going on on your network. Get something in place, even if it can only see what is going on and alert you.

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                    • wirestyle22W
                      wirestyle22 @dafyre
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                      @dafyre said:

                      I am a HUGE believer in knowing what is going on on your network. Get something in place, even if it can only see what is going on and alert you.

                      This.

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                      • wirestyle22W
                        wirestyle22
                        last edited by wirestyle22

                        I've been playing with my ERX. It's pretty amazing for $60. Looking into purchasing their UAP-AC-LITE as per @JaredBusch

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @wirestyle22
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                          @wirestyle22 said:

                          I've been playing with my ERX. It's pretty amazing for $60. Looking into purchasing their UAP-AC-LITe as per @JaredBusch

                          I have one, it's awesome!

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said:

                            @wirestyle22 said:

                            I've been playing with my ERX. It's pretty amazing for $60. Looking into purchasing their UAP-AC-LITe as per @JaredBusch

                            I have one, it's awesome!

                            I have a ERX/UAP-AC-LITE combo sitting net to me righ tnow to configure up this morning

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                            • wrx7mW
                              wrx7m
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                              I have been running an ERX for a couple of weeks and it really is great for the money. I also have a UAP-AC-LR that I am having some issues with in terms of devices losing connectivity. Most of my stuff is hard-wired. My phone loses connectivity from what I can tell about once a day but my WiFi thermostat disconnects and won't reconnect, making it all but useless for 75% of the time. I saw an update was released as of 2-29 but that didn't fix the issue. I am going to hit up support to see what they recommend.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender
                                last edited by

                                try dialing the power output back on the UAP.

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                                • wrx7mW
                                  wrx7m @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  try dialing the power output back on the UAP.

                                  Thanks, I will try that. I have seen others having similar problems going back to the previous generation of APs but I couldn't identify any one thing in particular.

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                                  • JaredBuschJ
                                    JaredBusch @wrx7m
                                    last edited by

                                    @wrx7m said:

                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    try dialing the power output back on the UAP.

                                    Thanks, I will try that. I have seen others having similar problems going back to the previous generation of APs but I couldn't identify any one thing in particular.

                                    All of the LR models are a horrible thing for anyone trying to use an AP. They are much too powerful and will overwhelm the radios in the gear around your house.

                                    It is a very successful marketing gimmick

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      Well the idea of an LR model is for big open areas and such, not for home use, surely. More like warehouse use where you have to mount them pretty far from where anything will use them.

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                                      • wrx7mW
                                        wrx7m @JaredBusch
                                        last edited by wrx7m

                                        @JaredBusch I do understand that. I needed an AP and the regular version was out of stock in several places that I could get it from quickly enough.

                                        I will also add that it isn't just the LR that I have seen reports/complaints of my issue. It was the other models, as well.

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                                        • wirestyle22W
                                          wirestyle22
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                                          Receiving my Ubiquiti Edgeswitch ES-24-LITE, Open Frame Wall Mounted Rack, Patch Panel, Rack tray and mounted power sure strip. Any good recommendations for UPS solutions for A switch/Fios router/edgerouter?

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @wirestyle22
                                            last edited by

                                            @wirestyle22 said:

                                            Receiving my Ubiquiti Edgeswitch ES-24-LITE, Open Frame Wall Mounted Rack, Patch Panel, Rack tray and mounted power sure strip. Any good recommendations for UPS solutions for A switch/Fios router/edgerouter?

                                            I installed an Eaton 5S 1500 for my desktop - should be more than enough for your power load.

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