Windows Phone :(
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@Dashrender said:
So what approach do you want to see on PC's since you don't want the Apple approach?
Chocolatey for WP8.1!
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@Dashrender said:
So what approach do you want to see on PC's since you don't want the Apple approach?
The one that exists on Linux. I want a curated app store that I can trust and is supported. Plus the ability to install anything I want, period. I don't want any lock in that I have to use the existing stores. But I like that the store exists.
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
I consider anything that even suggests rooting a device to be utter failure of the most extreme degree. I'm talking about official capabilities, I never mean working around the functionality of the system. Never.
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@Dashrender said:
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores
If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....
If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores
If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....
If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.
That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores
If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....
If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.
That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.
Ya it's just a checkbox to allow it.
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I've struggled to even have Android devices that can make calls, texts and get emails so....
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores
If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....
If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.
That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.
Ya it's just a checkbox to allow it.
Right, in the past the checkbox, once checked, was always on. But the modern Android OS allows you to do it per install, which is so much nicer.
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I say this mostly in jest, but not entirely - Scott seems to have trouble with most things that are not mainly Linux in nature
Granted Android is Linux, he's not rolling his own, so that doesn't count either
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@scottalanmiller said:
I've struggled to even have Android devices that can make calls, texts and get emails so....
That's strange. Never had an issue with that on mid-range to top-range devices. My recent Moto E, which is a budget/low-end phone, sometimes has issues calling.
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Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
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@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
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@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Ah, that makes sense. My first smart phone was a Droid X. It had issues with email syncing and random restarts until I put an ASOP rom on it. So I can see where you may get the impression.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I've struggled to even have Android devices that can make calls, texts and get emails so....
That's strange. Never had an issue with that on mid-range to top-range devices. My recent Moto E, which is a budget/low-end phone, sometimes has issues calling.
Everyone at the time said this too. I heard it so many times it's crazy. Yet I'd ask those people to produce a working device and never once could one of them get me a device that actually worked reliably. It turned out, every time, that they were not using some core functionality or were using it but didn't realize that emails weren't working or the like. What I found was that no Android users were actually relying on their devices and were treating them like entertainment, not business, devices and had a much different standard of "working" than iOS users had where reliable calls and emails were a standard requirement.
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@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Ah, that makes sense. My first smart phone was a Droid X. It had issues with email syncing and random restarts until I put an ASOP rom on it. So I can see where you may get the impression.
I had a Samsung Charge. First LTE Android device and first official Android device for Verizon. It ran on FroYo and it was pretty much junk. I had to have it plugged in all the time and it would restart frequently. The difference between 6.0 and 2.0 is ridiculous.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?
Uggh, I bought a Fire Stick... I can't get the audio and video to sync. I've got to return it and get Roku or something else.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?
Uggh, I bought a Fire Stick... I can't get the audio and video to sync. I've got to return it and get Roku or something else.
I love my Roku. I have 2 Chromecasts also. I was thinking about maybe a Nexus Player but I need to research some more.
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@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Ah, that makes sense. My first smart phone was a Droid X. It had issues with email syncing and random restarts until I put an ASOP rom on it. So I can see where you may get the impression.
No, it doesn't make sense. There's no excuse for the problems that I had. More than thirty five devices and every Android user claimed something different. I had the wrong vendor, wrong version, didn't install the right third party app, etc., etc. ad nauseum. Bottom line Android didn't work and the reaction of the Android defenders has not changed one iota from then till now.
