Web Application VS Windows Application

if i work with web application, i will use preexisting template , i will just customize the php code to meet the business need, i cannot crack my head with the design, it is another world (CSS, javascript, jquery and some other scary stuff) the template make our life easier

scottalanmiller

@IT-ADMIN said:

if i work with web application, i will use preexisting template , i will just customize the php code to meet the business need, i cannot crack my head with the design, it is another world (CSS, javascript, jquery and some other scary stuff) the template make our life easier

None of that book is design.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

how i can do that ?? a web application is different than windows application, they are totally 2 different things, the web application need a web browser to run while the windows application do not,

Yes and no. Do you need a web browser for MS Office? Yet it is a web app. You can make a web app look, feel and behave just like a desktop app. You can even install it locally.

What makes Office 2013 a web app? I'm assuming that this means when you install Office 2013, you're installing a webserver and a private special browser just for use with Office?

IT-ADMIN

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

if i work with web application, i will use preexisting template , i will just customize the php code to meet the business need, i cannot crack my head with the design, it is another world (CSS, javascript, jquery and some other scary stuff) the template make our life easier

None of that book is design.

you mean it is a programming language, right?
but wait, why should i learn new language while i already knew one ???

Dashrender

@Carnival-Boy said:

@scottalanmiller said:

You can make a web app look, feel and behave just like a desktop app.

Maybe so, but for the two main applications that I use most of the time - Microsoft Office and Microsoft Dynamics - the desktop app is superior to the web app, to the extent that I rarely use the web app at all.

Maybe it is possible to create web apps that are the equal of their desktop equivalents, but I've yet to see it.

@scottalanmiller said:

There is a reason why desktop apps of this nature have been considered a legacy design (for business applications) since the early 2000s.

What nature? Desktop apps still rule as far as I can tell. I rarely use web apps apart from for very simple applications.

And this is where the confusion comes in.

According to Scott - Office 2013 installed locally on the desktop (on Windows) is a web app. So is the web app version of Word that you can get with Office 365.

So my question is... why aren't they the same? What prevents MS from having them be identical, or at least nearly so?

Dashrender

@IT-ADMIN said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

if i work with web application, i will use preexisting template , i will just customize the php code to meet the business need, i cannot crack my head with the design, it is another world (CSS, javascript, jquery and some other scary stuff) the template make our life easier

None of that book is design.

you mean it is a programming language, right?
but wait, why should i learn new language while i already knew one ???

Because it's outdated and doesn't apply to modern development?

IT-ADMIN

but i think JEE is not outdated,

IT-ADMIN

if i work with web application, i will work with JEE, otherwise if i work a desktop application i will use vb.net, because java in windows application is a headach but in web it is OK

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

how i can do that ?? a web application is different than windows application, they are totally 2 different things, the web application need a web browser to run while the windows application do not,

Yes and no. Do you need a web browser for MS Office? Yet it is a web app. You can make a web app look, feel and behave just like a desktop app. You can even install it locally.

What makes Office 2013 a web app? I'm assuming that this means when you install Office 2013, you're installing a webserver and a private special browser just for use with Office?

Yes, it's all JavaScript running in a browser. Just a borderless browser.

scottalanmiller

@IT-ADMIN said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

if i work with web application, i will use preexisting template , i will just customize the php code to meet the business need, i cannot crack my head with the design, it is another world (CSS, javascript, jquery and some other scary stuff) the template make our life easier

None of that book is design.

you mean it is a programming language, right?
but wait, why should i learn new language while i already knew one ???

Do you know a good application framework? What language do you know?

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@Carnival-Boy said:

@scottalanmiller said:

You can make a web app look, feel and behave just like a desktop app.

Maybe so, but for the two main applications that I use most of the time - Microsoft Office and Microsoft Dynamics - the desktop app is superior to the web app, to the extent that I rarely use the web app at all.

Maybe it is possible to create web apps that are the equal of their desktop equivalents, but I've yet to see it.

@scottalanmiller said:

There is a reason why desktop apps of this nature have been considered a legacy design (for business applications) since the early 2000s.

What nature? Desktop apps still rule as far as I can tell. I rarely use web apps apart from for very simple applications.

And this is where the confusion comes in.

According to Scott - Office 2013 installed locally on the desktop (on Windows) is a web app. So is the web app version of Word that you can get with Office 365.

So my question is... why aren't they the same? What prevents MS from having them be identical, or at least nearly so?

They have been rapidly merging. The one on the desktop is definitely hooking into more stuff and much heavier. But the online came about when they did the big desktop migration to web tech.

My guess is that mostly they keep them separate because they want to keep selling local installs for a little longer.

scottalanmiller

@IT-ADMIN said:

but i think JEE is not outdated,

What is JEE?

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

@Carnival-Boy said:

@scottalanmiller said:

You can make a web app look, feel and behave just like a desktop app.

Maybe so, but for the two main applications that I use most of the time - Microsoft Office and Microsoft Dynamics - the desktop app is superior to the web app, to the extent that I rarely use the web app at all.

Maybe it is possible to create web apps that are the equal of their desktop equivalents, but I've yet to see it.

@scottalanmiller said:

There is a reason why desktop apps of this nature have been considered a legacy design (for business applications) since the early 2000s.

What nature? Desktop apps still rule as far as I can tell. I rarely use web apps apart from for very simple applications.

And this is where the confusion comes in.

According to Scott - Office 2013 installed locally on the desktop (on Windows) is a web app. So is the web app version of Word that you can get with Office 365.

So my question is... why aren't they the same? What prevents MS from having them be identical, or at least nearly so?

They have been rapidly merging. The one on the desktop is definitely hooking into more stuff and much heavier. But the online came about when they did the big desktop migration to web tech.

My guess is that mostly they keep them separate because they want to keep selling local installs for a little longer.

Hmm.. I wonder why - Unless there costs come over the top of what they get out of licensing O365, they would seem to be giving up money, not making more.

scottalanmiller

@IT-ADMIN said:

if i work with web application, i will work with JEE, otherwise if i work a desktop application i will use vb.net, because java in windows application is a headach but in web it is OK

Oh, do you mean J2EE? I've never heard anyone call it JEE.

JEE is fine for web applications, what framework(s) do you use with it?

JEE is definitely not an efficient langauge for web development, though. Can you do it? Sure, but would you? Just because you know that language does not mean that it will make things easier. I know Java too, but I'd much rather learn Ruby to leverage Rails, for example, when actually making a web app. People use the "right" language for the "right" task for a reason.

VB.NET I would never use for anything