Joes Crab Shack Drops Tipping in America
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@RojoLoco said:
EXACTLY MY POINT. I'm not talking about chain shit places, Denny's, WaHo, or ass and titty wing places. I only refer to servers working in real, mid to high price, good restaurants.
Why though, how does that relate to the topic at hand? Since we are talking about a relatively cheap place that doesn't cater on service?
If you look only at the high end places, of course the numbers seem skewed. But they would pay more too. So it solves the issue there too.
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Joe's isn't a cheap place. The last time I was there (and it will remain the last time) it was expensive. I think the average plate was $28 plus tax and tip.
Granted, even Denny's average today is closer to $15/plate for dinner.
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@Dashrender said:
Joe's isn't a cheap place. The last time I was there (and it will remain the last time) it was expensive. I think the average plate was $28 plus tax and tip.
That's downright cheap, that's Darden cheap, and those are some cheap mother***[moderated].. Come back when entrees are $40. Some of the Brazillian Steakhouses, even the cheap ones, start at $50 a plate for dinner around here.
As for turnaround, on a 6 hour shift, at a decent place, you expect about two to three services per night on a good night, so assuming a full house you have three different sets of people at the table. Then it's just how many you get in your section, too many and you are screwed, too few and it's not even worth coming in. Lord help you if you get fundies coming in, tipping you with Chick Tracts.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@Dashrender said:
Joe's isn't a cheap place. The last time I was there (and it will remain the last time) it was expensive. I think the average plate was $28 plus tax and tip.
That's downright cheap, that's Darden cheap, and those are some cheap motherfuckers. Come back when entrees are $40. Some of the Brazillian Steakhouses, even the cheap ones, start at $50 a plate for dinner around here.
As for turnaround, on a 6 hour shift, at a decent place, you expect about two to three services per night on a good night, so assuming a full house you have three different sets of people at the table. Then it's just how many you get in your section, too many and you are screwed, too few and it's not even worth coming in. Lord help you if you get fundies coming in, tipping you with Chick Tracts.
Where are you at? Of course $40/plate is cheap in NYC, but in Omaha, NE that's VERY expensive. The cost of living is a crap load higher in NYC too, etc, etc.
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@Dashrender said:
Joe's isn't a cheap place. The last time I was there (and it will remain the last time) it was expensive. I think the average plate was $28 plus tax and tip.
Granted, even Denny's average today is closer to $15/plate for dinner.
It's not cheap but it is middle of the road. It's not a bad place but it is anything but fancy. Casual family dining.
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@RojoLoco said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@RojoLoco said:
Either way, this reeks of a corporate move to seize some of the $$$ earned by servers, while paying them a wage that is less than what they would make getting regular tips.
That would be hard to do. How could the restaurant make more money when they have to suddenly pay out so much more? Legally they have to pay at least minimum wage and for the market to work they will have to pay far, far above that.
I can't provide the numbers of how, but why would they do this other than to make more money? Even if only from the "good PR move" they think this is, they are obviously expecting more revenue / more profit for the company / shareholders / whatever. Corporations only make changes when it makes them more money.
Because your are full of piss and wind as the saying goes. An example of everything that is wrong with this is your unproven emotional reaction.
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So @Dashrender started a thread on tipping in Europe to see what people did and here is the summary from what I can see:
People Who Live in Europe: "Its' complicated but you do need to tip but not nearly as much as in the US and it is completely dependent where you are."
People Who Travel to Europe from the US or Have Heard About Europe: "The tip is included in Europe so you don't tip."I think that the entire idea of not tipping in Europe is a purely American thing based on hearsay and rumours that just get repeated. It's become one of those travel myths, along with the myth that any rule applies to "all Europe" rather than country by country or region by region.
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Personally, I think tipping is a lousy practice/tradition. I feel about the same with prices not having the tax included. You can sit here and debate the pros and cons of it all day long, but what difference does it make. None of us controls how it works out there in society. Also, if you read the OP, this is a "test". Who knows why they're doing it? The real value is after the test period, where the results can be analyzed. Instead of getting up on a soapbox about the evils of tipping, blah, blah, blah, why not wait a while and talk to a few Crab Shack employees and see what they think. After all, it's affecting them directly. I'll take their opinion from the driver's seat over a bunch of people who specifically do not work in the industry, and who like to armchair-quarterback.
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@scottalanmiller said:
So @Dashrender started a thread on tipping in Europe to see what people did and here is the summary from what I can see:
People Who Live in Europe: "Its' complicated but you do need to tip but not nearly as much as in the US and it is completely dependent where you are."
People Who Travel to Europe from the US or Have Heard About Europe: "The tip is included in Europe so you don't tip."I think that the entire idea of not tipping in Europe is a purely American thing based on hearsay and rumours that just get repeated. It's become one of those travel myths, along with the myth that any rule applies to "all Europe" rather than country by country or region by region.
Of course Scott did leave out that the first first response to that question on FB was by a Frenchman who said tip was included.
Though I will admit that I was surprised that tipping was different based on where you are - but in retrospect I shouldn't have been surprised, But things like a unified currency and no passport boarder crossings lead me to an unrealistic expectation of things being the same in most major metros, Oh.. like the US.
And another note of interest. I was called a big spender for starting tipping at 20%. Several people mentioned that 15% is the normal starting point (and probably ending point) for them.
Even searching google last night turned up several travel articles for the US stating that Tipping was 15-20%, not 18-25% (for full disclosure, one site did mention that they have been told in some places that tipping was expected at 20-30%)
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As an ex waitress. I worked at a small local, little fancier than a diner (very little). I could make a good $100 in tips in a 4 hour shift. Plus my $2/hour. I didn't have to split tips with anyone and it was good money. On a craft show weekend at the local park I could make $200 or more. Of course your tips are based on how friendly you are and how awesome you are at your job. Other people on the same shift that were not as friendly etc. would only make like $25-$50.
Of course in the same vein if you had a group of college guys come in they were a pain and you would be lucky to make a $1 on working your butt of for them.
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@Minion-Queen said:
As an ex waitress. I worked at a small local, little fancier than a diner (very little). I could make a good $100 in tips in a 4 hour shift. Plus my $2/hour. I didn't have to split tips with anyone and it was good money. On a craft show weekend at the local park I could make $200 or more. Of course your tips are based on how friendly you are and how awesome you are at your job. Other people on the same shift that were not as friendly etc. would only make like $25-$50.
Of course in the same vein if you had a group of college guys come in they were a pain and you would be lucky to make a $1 on working your butt of for them.
Right so the trick here is to average it out so the good shifts and bad shifts are balance.. what rate were you then making.
For a lot of wait staff I have known, the average comes down a few $ above minimum wage. High pull on the weekends. low on weekdays. Everyone loved a convention in town.
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On the week night I would make more like $50-$60 a night.
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@Minion-Queen said:
On the week night I would make more like $50-$60 a night.
at 8 hours that's $6.25 - 7.50 an hour. Right at or just below minimum wage.
I wonder what the new wage will be for wait staff?
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@Dashrender said:
@Minion-Queen said:
On the week night I would make more like $50-$60 a night.
at 8 hours that's $6.25 - 7.50 an hour. Right at or just below minimum wage.
I wonder what the new wage will be for wait staff?
$14 an hour according to one release I read.
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@coliver said:
$14 an hour according to one release I read.
huh.. now that's a real job. I wonder what bus boys, and dish washers make there?
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
$14 an hour according to one release I read.
huh.. now that's a real job. I wonder what bus boys, and dish washers make there?
Probably minimum wage or just above. I doubt it is as much as a server.
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@Dashrender said:
@Minion-Queen said:
On the week night I would make more like $50-$60 a night.
at 8 hours that's $6.25 - 7.50 an hour. Right at or just below minimum wage.
I wonder what the new wage will be for wait staff?
Technically you always get minimum wage by law, but lots of wait staff don't understand their rights and lots of restaurants prey on that.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
$14 an hour according to one release I read.
huh.. now that's a real job. I wonder what bus boys, and dish washers make there?
Probably minimum wage or just above. I doubt it is as much as a server.
That's typical according to my limited exposure to the inner workings. Bus boys are normally $1 over minimum, dish washers are normally kids at minimum.
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And yes, I've been the dishwasher, the bus boy, the cook, the waiter and the manager.
