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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Brett at ioSafe
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      @Brett-at-ioSafe said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      @Brett-at-ioSafe said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      @BRRABill said:

      Is there actually a difference? I haven't looked yet. Too much chatter on this forum to use any other browser windows.

      They are the same. Synology makes the guts of both. Same hardware and same software. ioSafe then fireproofs the chassis and adds some extra hardware to make it fire and water proof (not UNDER water proof.)

      Actually. they are UNDERwaterproof and can go up - or should that be "down'? - to 10’ under for 3 days - fresh or salt water.

      Was that always the case or is that an upgrade?

      That's always been the case. And the waterproofing is retained after a fire event so the unit will not be hosed - if you'll pardon the pun - when the fire department start pouring on water.

      That I knew, that it could take a fire hose. It was the full submersion that I was unaware of.

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      • BRRABillB
        BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said:

        RAID 1 is the safest possible RAID level. RAID 10 is many RAID 1 mirrors in a single RAID 0 stripe. So the best RAID 10 is one with the smallest possible RAID 0 stripe. A RAID 1 is a RAID 10 where the RAID 0 stripe has only one member.

        You have a writeup on here on that? I know (I am sure I Know) you do, just looking for a link. 🙂

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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          @BRRABill said:

          @scottalanmiller said:

          RAID 1 is the safest possible RAID level. RAID 10 is many RAID 1 mirrors in a single RAID 0 stripe. So the best RAID 10 is one with the smallest possible RAID 0 stripe. A RAID 1 is a RAID 10 where the RAID 0 stripe has only one member.

          You have a writeup on here on that? I know (I am sure I Know) you do, just looking for a link. 🙂

          It's just an extension of normal RAID 10 math.

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          • BRRABillB
            BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said:

            It's just an extension of normal RAID 10 math.

            You have a writeup on normal RAID 10 math? 😉

            I always thought RAID 5 was king. But I know it's 10 now. (Except with SSD which is OK.) I think I saw an article of yours. But it might have all just been forum chatter.

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            • RomoR
              Romo
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              @BRRABill https://www.google.com.mx/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=smbitjournal.com:+raid

              Posts from @scottalanmiller about raid

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              • BRRABillB
                BRRABill
                last edited by

                Awesome, thanks.

                That's a Google thing I always forget to do.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                  @BRRABill said:

                  Awesome, thanks.

                  That's a Google thing I always forget to do.

                  I have a full collection in one place curated to make things easy:
                  http://mangolassi.it/topic/121/raid-link-blast

                  If you Google "RAID Link Blast" ML is the top hit.

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                  • BRRABillB
                    BRRABill
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                    Well I have my reading for the weekend.

                    Wait. NO NO NO. Fun, have fun. No reading.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      But it is FUN reading!

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                      • BRRABillB
                        BRRABill
                        last edited by

                        Couple more questions on this NAS.

                        1. I know drive capacity and performance capacity was mentioned. Obviously space drives drive capacity (pun intended) but what drives performance? The number of users? The types of files? Both?

                        2. Does anyone use encryption on this? I could see this being a nice fit for smaller shops (accountant, law firm, doctor) who need encryption. I know there is a performance drain, but I'm imagining on a Word file it's not a big issue. A huge video file might be another animal.

                        3. The 214 and 215+ were both mentioned. Any reason to go with the 215+ over the 214? I have such a hard time making these kinds of decisions!

                        4. How do you access files on this remotely? It looks like it has a VPN add-on?

                        5. Why are there so many media-type add-ons for this thing? Do people typically do that in a business setting?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          Woot, this thread is back to life.

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                          • coliverC
                            coliver
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                            I think I'm missing something. I saw how many users. But How much data do you have? What are your backup requirements? This seems like O365 and ODfB could do wonders for your company. Enterprise Email and cloud based storage in one package.

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                            • MattSpellerM
                              MattSpeller @BRRABill
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                              @BRRABill said:

                              Couple more questions on this NAS.

                              1. I know drive capacity and performance capacity was mentioned. Obviously space drives drive capacity (pun intended) but what drives performance? The number of users? The types of files? Both?

                              We use WD reds in RAID10 (which the 2 bay NAS obviously can not do), it'll max out gig lan for a large file transfer providing not many other people are poking at it simultaneously. We do more large file moving than most office environments so our experience is probably different than yours will be. We like em for what that's worth.

                              1. Does anyone use encryption on this? I could see this being a nice fit for smaller shops (accountant, law firm, doctor) who need encryption. I know there is a performance drain, but I'm imagining on a Word file it's not a big issue. A huge video file might be another animal.

                              We do not

                              1. The 214 and 215+ were both mentioned. Any reason to go with the 215+ over the 214? I have such a hard time making these kinds of decisions!

                              Um, make sure you look at the feature list to ensure it has cloudsync. That's pretty much the only app on them I'd really care about.

                              1. How do you access files on this remotely? It looks like it has a VPN add-on?

                              We use a VPN through another system, no experience with theirs.

                              1. Why are there so many media-type add-ons for this thing? Do people typically do that in a business setting?

                              Because they can? That's my best guess. Why make 2 products the same but differ in software for Business and Home use cases I suppose.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                @BRRABill said:

                                1. I know drive capacity and performance capacity was mentioned. Obviously space drives drive capacity (pun intended) but what drives performance? The number of users? The types of files? Both?

                                It's driven by usage. How is stuff being accessed. Number of users and file types would be misleading. It is more complex than that. You'd need to measure your usage and see what is needed.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                  @BRRABill said:

                                  1. Does anyone use encryption on this? I could see this being a nice fit for smaller shops (accountant, law firm, doctor) who need encryption. I know there is a performance drain, but I'm imagining on a Word file it's not a big issue. A huge video file might be another animal.

                                  No. That's pretty worthless in a small, non-technical environment. How and where would they use this encryption that it would be both useful and protect anything? What do you want to encrypt against?

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                                  • coliverC
                                    coliver
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                                    I also didn't see what was currently in place. Are people just sharing off of local disk?

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                      @BRRABill said:

                                      1. The 214 and 215+ were both mentioned. Any reason to go with the 215+ over the 214? I have such a hard time making these kinds of decisions!

                                      One is current, one is old.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                        @BRRABill said:

                                        1. How do you access files on this remotely? It looks like it has a VPN add-on?

                                        Sure. But realistically, why are you hosting your own files if you want remote access? Why host your own files at all? @coliver is right that in nearly every case, you should not be running your own file storage at all.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                          @BRRABill said:

                                          1. Why are there so many media-type add-ons for this thing? Do people typically do that in a business setting?

                                          No, selling these things for people who don't get business needs or are using them at home or treat IT like a game are common. These things tend to cater to a lot of bad behaviour.

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                                          • MattSpellerM
                                            MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            These things tend to cater to a lot of bad behaviour.

                                            And how - they are absolutely chock full of insane stuff to use in a business. None the less, decent hardware and OS at the end of the day.

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