Should I take the same money to go back to the same job?
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@Dashrender said:
@Joy said:
@JaredBusch said:
@Joy said:
It's 3 hours or more of commute because Traffic is worse.
3 hours one way? Or 3 hours commute time total?
Is it not possible to find an apartment any closer?
6 hours commute of total
You do that every day?
Sorry i was referring for the Old apartment that i been lived before in the province.
right now the commute should be 5 to 10 mins only but sometimes it will take 30 t0 45 mins due to traffic -
@gjacobse said:
Joy -
I think one what to work this out if you want ot just look at numbers is to factor every hour from when you close and lock your door heading to work and when you return to that door again at the endo f the day.
A three hour journey one way to the office is not a great way to start your day. Nor is it a good way to end it. Your 8 hour work day becomes a 14 hour day. Even if you are making more with the new company - you could be making less overall with just the commute.
Factor in your expenses and it just compounds that.
Now having said that What makes you happy? So often we make a choice about work solely based on money... But happiness trumps money.
Yes , I tried to do it first. and I'm always tired of my commute so i decided to look for bed space in the City.
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@Dashrender said:
@Joy said:
@JaredBusch said:
@Joy said:
It's 3 hours or more of commute because Traffic is worse.
3 hours one way? Or 3 hours commute time total?
Is it not possible to find an apartment any closer?
6 hours commute of total
You do that every day?
That was before i decided to look for bed space so that i don't need to go home everyday
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@scottalanmiller said:
They need a "slam the phone" button that makes a slamming sound on the other end and automatically disconnects.
It could be the "hang up with prejudice" button or something.
Guys, I can't really totally disconnect from them.. They are good people
I mean i started to grow up with them, they trust me to handle everything given that I'm Zero knowledge when i worked for them
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@Joy said:
Guys, I can't really totally disconnect from them.. They are good people
I mean i started to grow up with them, they trust me to handle everything given that I'm Zero knowledge when i worked for themBut they've made it clear that they do not feel the same way towards you. They have made a point of telling you that you are worth less to them now than you were back then. They are completely insulting.
They are trying to use you and you should walk away from that situation. This is your career, your life. Don't throw it away as a "favor" to people who don't respect or care about you.
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@Joy said:
Guys, I can't really totally disconnect from them.. They are good people
Not in a career or job perspective to you. You are confusing which factors apply to job decisions.
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Have beers with them, go to karaoke... don't work for them until they decide you are worth treating as a professional.
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@Joy said:
Sorry i was referring for the Old apartment that i been lived before in the province.
right now the commute should be 5 to 10 mins only but sometimes it will take 30 t0 45 mins due to trafficOk, now this is more clear.
You could commute from home and have lower living expenses, but that is 3 hours one way.
You have opted for bed space knowing it is higher living expenses, but much closer to work with only 15 minutes of commute time.So this part of things is how much does the higher cost of living affect your goals for income?
Determine that and then you will be able to begin to determine how much more they would be required to offer you in order for you to take a job again with your prior employer.
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I agree with Jarad.
You don't have to be paid as much as you are being paid at the city job to consider taking the province job. But using simple numbers.. let's say you make 100 more a week in the city job, but it costs you 30 in rent more for the city job. In that case you're actually only making 70 more than the old job. Plus there is value in the fact that you'll be at home every night, and not just on weekends. -
@JaredBusch said:
@Joy said:
Sorry i was referring for the Old apartment that i been lived before in the province.
right now the commute should be 5 to 10 mins only but sometimes it will take 30 t0 45 mins due to trafficOk, now this is more clear.
You could commute from home and have lower living expenses, but that is 3 hours one way.
=Yes, and most of the time traffic is really worstYou have opted for bed space knowing it is higher living expenses, but much closer to work with only 15 minutes of commute time.
=True,So this part of things is how much does the higher cost of living affect your goals for income?
=Yes, I was thinking additional about the tax
Determine that and then you will be able to begin to determine how much more they would be required to offer you in order for you to take a job again with your prior employer.
= I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities
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@Joy said:
= I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities
Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.
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@StrongBad said:
@Joy said:
= I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities
Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.
Hmm okay I'll do that just in case they will ask me again.
I need to Weigh my decision -
@Joy said:
@StrongBad said:
@Joy said:
= I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities
Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.
Hmm okay I'll do that just in case they will ask me again.
I need to weight my decision making .No need to wait for them. Determine the amount that you want for the job and make an offer to them. You are the driver here.
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@StrongBad said:
@Joy said:
@StrongBad said:
@Joy said:
= I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities
Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.
Hmm okay I'll do that just in case they will ask me again.
I need to weight my decision making .No need to wait for them. Determine the amount that you want for the job and make an offer to them. You are the driver here.
That's true, if you want to work there again - I'd call them back and make them the offer you want. You could even let them know that you're genuinely interested in working there again, but that your experience at this point now provides the requirement of this higher level of pay.
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@Dashrender said:
@StrongBad said:
@Joy said:
@StrongBad said:
@Joy said:
= I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities
Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.
Hmm okay I'll do that just in case they will ask me again.
I need to weight my decision making .No need to wait for them. Determine the amount that you want for the job and make an offer to them. You are the driver here.
That's true, if you want to work there again - I'd call them back and make them the offer you want. You could even let them know that you're genuinely interested in working there again, but that your experience at this point now provides the requirement of this higher level of pay.
If you are going to start stating reasons, you could also mention that you are currently employed and happy, all of the benefits that you are getting, your career growth and point out that going to them is you doing them a favor. Companies like to act like they are doing you a favor by giving you a job. But that is not at all the case here. You are completely doing them a favor to help them out. You should not be doing them a favor by stepping backwards in your career as well.
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I did not see anyone throw out the option of just doing some consulting work on a part-time basis for the old company. Is that possible as a temporary option? Tell them you will work X hours at your desired rate (remotely, of course), and give them a specific time period for which you will consult. So to some degree it would help both parties as long as you feel you will not jeopardize meeting your responsibilities at your current job. The old place may want someone full time, but you would at least be making an effort to help.
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I suspect that few full time jobs there would allow moonlighting. Work contracts tend to be pretty strict.
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I don't think I've ever had a contract that prohibits moonlighting.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I don't think I've ever had a contract that prohibits moonlighting.
I certainly have. Nearly any salary job in the US does so sort of by default because salary implies "full time" meaning your time is not your own. You get time "not working" but not "working for someone else." The implication is that all of your paid-for brain power belongs to the company paying the salary and if you are doing work for someone else while on salary that you are stealing from the company that is willing to pay the premium salary for you to either be working for them or "relaxing."
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An hourly job effectively cannot stop you from moonlighting in the US because the moment you are not being paid they have no say over what you do. The moment that they have say, they owe you income. So there are different approaches with different thoughts behind them.
Of course, much of anything comes down to the local judge and how they choose to view the social or even written contract. But nearly any salaried job I've seen is explicit in that you cannot do anything paid outside of work unless approved. Even volunteer stuff is sometimes a grey area (but never seen a company complain about that.)
