Dicussion about time, DST and businesses hours of operation
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@coliver said:
@Jason said:
@coliver said:
No arguments with either point here. It would make so much more sense to do manufacturing at night when electrical costs would be lower. Would ancillary businesses also need to change their hours?
Cool Manufactoring? We don't cool it. Neither do most big manufacturing companies.
I didn't mean cool. I meant the cost of electricity would be much less expensive for equipment.
Ahh @scottalanmiller said cool. Power costs the same no matter the time of day for us.
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Much of the US has flexible power costs. DST pushed everyone to use the most expensive power. It makes big money for the power grids.
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Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
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DST has been shown to have major health implications too. It stresses the human body to attempt to shift by an hour twice a year. Not huge, but across a large population it is very measurable. It increases sick time, makes people late for work... DST creates a huge cascade of issues that people are not addressing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
In the patient rooms, perhaps. But not where the staff spend the majority of their time.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
In the patient rooms, perhaps. But not where the staff spend the majority of their time.
This is true. Many offices in our hospitals around here don't have natural light. Patient care rooms generally do though.
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but why not? Probably just because they are cheap and predate natural light laws. No reason that you can't have light in offices.
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@scottalanmiller said:
but why not? Probably just because they are cheap and predate natural light laws. No reason that you can't have light in offices.
I would agree with both those points and add that they generally have offices in the center of buildings with patient rooms around the out sides. On multi-story buildings this would make it difficult to properly use the space where natural light is required.
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@scottalanmiller said:
but why not? Probably just because they are cheap and predate natural light laws. No reason that you can't have light in offices.
Cheap - I guess, building efficiency is what really springs to mind. The clinic rooms line the outside of the given space, and they probably have windows. The staff work in the middle area.
It's no different than an office building. The offices along the outer walls all have natural light, assuming those offices have non tranparent/translucent walls, the light never makes it to cube ville in the middle.
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Office buildings normally have glass interior walls for this purpose, though.
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But outside of patient areas or operating rooms, how often is extra light needed? Or much light? Isn't bright offices counter productive to working on a computer?
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@scottalanmiller said:
But outside of patient areas or operating rooms, how often is extra light needed? Or much light? Isn't bright offices counter productive to working on a computer?
lol - I don't have an answer for you... I know that when I work in the dark, don't often have the option for low surrounding light, people give me a hard time for working in the dark.
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Which makes no sense, because it is better for your eyes, heat, environment and work habits to be in the dark, or not in the bright, at least. People are so weird with their bizarre societal constructs of what acceptable is, even when it is completely counter to what makes sense.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
But outside of patient areas or operating rooms, how often is extra light needed? Or much light? Isn't bright offices counter productive to working on a computer?
lol - I don't have an answer for you... I know that when I work in the dark, don't often have the option for low surrounding light, people give me a hard time for working in the dark.
I prefer to work in the dark. Which generally gets a few comments.
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And to this discussion, I'm reminded that I have under cabinet lights in my office... they are now on and the overhead lights are now off.
Let's see how this goes.
The one thing I don't like the about the under cabinet lights so far is that I can directly see the lights as they are only 1 ft higher than eye line and to the right and front of me.
Time to find some defusing panels. -
I HATE fluorescent lights. I hate the dark as well but love natural light, my dad has seasonal affective disorder, I think I might too. Without natural light I get depressed. We have talked about changing out the fluorescent light in my office for an LED light. I hope that will help. Otherwise I am working in a cave.
