Anti-Malware for Business Options
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Not many options for the "they won't pay for it" world.
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Simple answer..... if you can't afford to run Windows, you can't afford to run Windows.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Simple answer..... if you can't afford to run Windows, you can't afford to run Windows.
This is something that even though I mentally understand what you are saying... it just so hard to get businesses to understand.
Talking to management - you see this pc? Yeah, this $500 PC. It doesn't cost $500. It really costs $1500 because you have to add Office to it, and AV and AM, and , and and....
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Exactly. And that is before you figure out the cost of managing it. Enterprises figure a PC costs $1,000 to buy, $2,000 to deploy and $1,500 a year to support, more or less.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Exactly. And that is before you figure out the cost of managing it. Enterprises figure a PC costs $1,000 to buy, $2,000 to deploy and $1,500 a year to support, more or less.
Holy crap! So over 5 years that PC will cost $10,500?
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Exactly. And that is before you figure out the cost of managing it. Enterprises figure a PC costs $1,000 to buy, $2,000 to deploy and $1,500 a year to support, more or less.
Holy crap! So over 5 years that PC will cost $10,500?
when you take the management software and support personal into account.. yeah that's probably right.
My company pays a lot more than that when they consider my salary.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Exactly. And that is before you figure out the cost of managing it. Enterprises figure a PC costs $1,000 to buy, $2,000 to deploy and $1,500 a year to support, more or less.
Holy crap! So over 5 years that PC will cost $10,500?
In an enterprise, absolutely. Think about the labour, licensing and hardware costs of a PC. It's an enormous cost. IT isn't cheap. You can't just throw a computer on someone's desk and let it run. People have to manage that or you have to spend a fortune on licensing to lower the management cost. Nothing is free.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Exactly. And that is before you figure out the cost of managing it. Enterprises figure a PC costs $1,000 to buy, $2,000 to deploy and $1,500 a year to support, more or less.
Holy crap! So over 5 years that PC will cost $10,500?
In an enterprise, absolutely. Think about the labour, licensing and hardware costs of a PC. It's an enormous cost. IT isn't cheap. You can't just throw a computer on someone's desk and let it run. People have to manage that or you have to spend a fortune on licensing to lower the management cost. Nothing is free.
Understood just never thought about how much the ongoing costs are for a machine.
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@Dashrender said:
My company pays a lot more than that when they consider my salary.
I was just going to say, SMBs aren't any cheaper. When you have one IT guy handling twenty desktops, let's assume that the salary for that person is $50K. It costs $70K to pay him $50K. In a 20 person company likely 80% of the time would be for desktops, 20% for servers, networking, planning, etc. That is $2,800 per PC, per year!!
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Now you might have someone with a $40K salary and forty desktops. But it is still a lot of money. But if you have more than one IT person, need MSP support, etc. it expands rapidly..
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I'm at X for 110 PCs and 10 servers... so we're doing better, but my pay is higher than Scott's number too.
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Some standard costs for a normal PC:
- Hardware acquisition, typically $800 - $1,500 (desktop, monitor, web cam, etc.)
- Windows software licensing (cheap, not non-zero)
- AV per machine
- AntiMalware per machine
- Windows Server CAL per user or machine
- MS Office (all different levels, but not cheap)
- Cabling
- Switch port (every desktop uses ~1/40th of a switch for another $30 cost per machine or so.)
- Desk phone (plus cabling, ports, switches)
- Small increase in bandwidth usage
- Software licensing for all desktop management tools
- Software licensing for all end user use software (almost all desktop users need some unique, non-free software)
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@Dashrender said:
I'm at X for 110 PCs and 10 servers... so we're doing better, but my pay is higher than Scott's number too.
Right, I was targeting someone that was principally focused on desktops. And it came out very high. The enterprise numbers that I have heard are like $1,000 - $1,500 per desktop, per year.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm at X for 110 PCs and 10 servers... so we're doing better, but my pay is higher than Scott's number too.
Right, I was targeting someone that was principally focused on desktops. And it came out very high. The enterprise numbers that I have heard are like $1,000 - $1,500 per desktop, per year.
I'm guessing we are closer to the higher range that you mentioned.. that's all I was trying to say.
