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    Small Commercial NAS vs. Consumer Desktop Whitebox Fileserver

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    • coliverC
      coliver
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      You could do option two but use enterprise hardware. You can get inexpensive Dell servers from xByte for very little.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
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        Oh believe me, I know a true data storage solution would be best.

        Maybe I can get management to see that renting storage from Amazon S3 is way more viable.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
          last edited by

          Products I would use for a scenario like this include and ARE limited to:

          • Synology and/or IOSafe two bay NAS enclosure (paging @Brett-at-ioSafe )
          • Netgear ReadyNAS two bay NAS enclosure

          Both RAID 1, both business class, both flexible, powerful and cheap. Literally nothing else I would look at or consider.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            What is the exact "use case" of the storage? Archival, backup, live user data, etc.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said:

              Archival storage of files that aren't actively used, but might be used in the future. From today until who knows when.

              So cold storage. What is the backup plan for them?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                For cold storage like this, ignoring the chassis itself, the ideal drive configuration is RAID 1 with WD Red drives. High density, low performance, low power draw, long shelf life, spin down options, low cost with no unnecessary features that cannot be used in the scenario. You could shave a couple of bucks with WD Green drives, but I would likely not bother (but I might in a pinch.) RAID 1 is ideal as the speed of RAID 10 is not beneficial and RAID 1 is the safest possible option and the lowest cost both for the drives as well as for the chassis.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  So the issue is, the data might get used some time in the future, because a client might come back and say "hey we need this updated".

                  Using cold storage like Amazon S3, we'd completely remove the data locally, and let Amazon maintain the infrastructure. We only annually will upload stuff from our network to said service.

                  Do we need a separate backup solution to a service such as Amazon S3?

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    Using cold storage like Amazon S3, we'd completely remove the data locally, and let Amazon maintain the infrastructure. We only annually will upload stuff from our network to said service.

                    S3 is hot storage. What you want from the Amazon world is Glacier. So called because it is slow, cold storage. 🙂

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      BackBlaze has a new offering that should compete with this too. But it is new and I am not sure that I would even offer it as an option. I would stick to Glacier as my only hosted storage option here.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        How much data are we talking about, BTW?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          Do we need a separate backup solution to a service such as Amazon S3?

                          Not generally, no.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            Products I would use for a scenario like this include and ARE limited to:

                            • Synology and/or IOSafe two bay NAS enclosure (paging @Brett-at-ioSafe )
                            • Netgear ReadyNAS two bay NAS enclosure

                            Both RAID 1, both business class, both flexible, powerful and cheap. Literally nothing else I would look at or consider.

                            What's wrong with Buffalo - not that I"m a fan, just wondering?

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              2TB of Data currently.

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                              • J
                                Jason Banned
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                                Well, then you really need two devices in different locations for archival storage.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403
                                  last edited by

                                  Amazon Glacier is $14/Month for 2TB of storage, that seems incredibly cheap.

                                  How is access to the data?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    Products I would use for a scenario like this include and ARE limited to:

                                    • Synology and/or IOSafe two bay NAS enclosure (paging @Brett-at-ioSafe )
                                    • Netgear ReadyNAS two bay NAS enclosure

                                    Both RAID 1, both business class, both flexible, powerful and cheap. Literally nothing else I would look at or consider.

                                    What's wrong with Buffalo - not that I"m a fan, just wondering?

                                    They would certainly be my "next" choice if I did not have those two. The range, support and everything from the "big two" is just excellent. I've had good luck with Buffalo support (and bad luck with Buffalo sales) and their devices are decent, but they are a small player and don't offer the range and expertise that the two main players do.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      @DustinB3403 said:

                                      Amazon Glacier is $14/Month for 2TB of storage, that seems incredibly cheap.

                                      How is access to the data?

                                      SLOWWWWW!!!!!

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
                                        last edited by

                                        Well again;

                                        @scottalanmiller said: SLOWWWWW!!!!!

                                        Might just be what we need, slow upload / download? It's there to keep is just incase. Any idea on the bandwidth they provide for ingress/egress?

                                        How is the data uploaded / accessed, web browser only?

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                                        • mlnewsM
                                          mlnews
                                          last edited by

                                          Data is accessed via API. So you would need a tool for accessing it. This is enterprise cloud storage, not an SMB tool.

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                                          • mlnewsM
                                            mlnews @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said:

                                            Might just be what we need, slow upload / download? It's there to keep is just incase. Any idea on the bandwidth they provide for ingress/egress?

                                            Lots of upload bandwidth, more than you can get your hands on to talk to them. Download can have latency beyond your wildest dreams with delays measured in days.

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