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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
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      How much write cache do you have on the current machine?

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        Carnival Boy
        last edited by Carnival Boy

        512mb, battery backed.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender
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          The 4 GB cache along with your 8 drives will probably be enough, but without real metrics on what you new ERP's requirements will be, no one can be sure.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
            last edited by

            @Dashrender said:

            The 4 GB cache along with your 8 drives will probably be enough, but without real metrics on what you new ERP's requirements will be, no one can be sure.

            It's amazing how much different a good cache can make.

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              Carnival Boy
              last edited by Carnival Boy

              These are the controller options:
              raid2.jpeg

              Can anyone tell me the difference between "Flexible" Smart Array Controllers and the others. What are the ports for (and why would I want 2 ports rather than 1)?

              Will a 4GB always be faster than 2GB, or will it only have an effect if the 2GB gets filled whilst writing to disk and therefore has to wait (I'm not sure if I'm talking crap here or not)?

              What is FIO?

              And what does 'ar' stand for in the name P440ar?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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                @Carnival-Boy said:

                Will a 4GB always be faster than 2GB, or will it only have an effect if the 2GB gets filled whilst writing to disk and therefore has to wait (I'm not sure if I'm talking crap here or not)?

                Not "always" but anytime that you are doing any amount of disk IO. If you don't have a total of 2GB of storage, for example, then 4GB of cache would be overkill. But given the size of modern storage (and certainly with your database being more than 2GB and your OS being larger than 2GB) you are into a range where yes, 4GB will always be faster. There is no situation where you will not use at least 2GB of disk reads or writes on any given boot up. That number is just so tiny compared to the size of your storage that while technically it might be too big for some workloads, no real world ones and certainly not yours. You would be safe buying 16GB or more of cache and knowing for certain that bigger kept meaning faster.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  FIO, I believe, refers to "Flexible IO" and means that it is neither internal nor external but has both. That's why you see internal, external or FIO as the options. Never Internal FIO or External FIO.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    Each port is another full SAS channel with full SAS bandwidth. You want that if you have a place to use it. You don't, so does not matter to you. It is often used when you have an internal array and an external array or a massive internal array that you want to split.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      I can't figure out what "ar" stands for but it appears that it means that it is a mezzanine card rather than an add on card.

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                        Carnival Boy @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        Never Internal FIO

                        Isn't that what I'm seeing here:

                        raid2.GIF

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          Hmm.... not sure then. HP is bad about listing their acronyms anywhere.

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                            Carnival Boy @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            I can't figure out what "ar" stands for but it appears that it means that it is a mezzanine card rather than an add on card.

                            Ah, I see. It does look different:

                            raid3.GIF

                            I'm advised that I can't currently get a DL380 without a P440ar/2GB, so it would be a case of throwing it away and replacing it with a P440/4GB. I'd effectively be buying two cards, even though I only used one. I'm not sure it's worth it.

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                              Carnival Boy
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                              Is it possible to simply upgrade the RAID controller at a later date if performance becomes a problem, or does that incur a world of pain?

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
                                last edited by

                                @Carnival-Boy said:

                                Is it possible to simply upgrade the RAID controller at a later date if performance becomes a problem, or does that incur a world of pain?

                                Generally pretty painless. Since they are both SmartArrays.

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                                  Carnival Boy
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                                  Cool. I might do that, then. Though those kinds of upgrades always scare me.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    2GB of cache is still four times what you have now and twice what most anyone else has.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @Carnival Boy
                                      last edited by

                                      @Carnival-Boy said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      Never Internal FIO

                                      Isn't that what I'm seeing here:

                                      raid2.GIF

                                      I'd guess in this case Int means it's an internal card, though not sure why they would need to specify that.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        I'd guess in this case Int means it's an internal card, though not sure why they would need to specify that.

                                        Internal SAS connections.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          I'd guess in this case Int means it's an internal card, though not sure why they would need to specify that.

                                          Internal SAS connections.

                                          So you're ditching what you thought FIO meant?

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            So you're ditching what you thought FIO meant?

                                            @Carnival-Boy already showed that I had to be wrong on that.

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