Routers Vs. Firewall
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"firewalls can do what routers can, but routers can't do exactly the same as a firewall, I can configure a firewall to block ports, and can do much more on a firewall than I could with. Router"
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@scottalanmiller what do you think? @JaredBusch ?
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The argument I'm getting is that they can't do the same things.
Routers can't block access (this is the main thing)
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
The argument I'm getting is that they can't do the same things.
Routers can't block access (this is the main thing)
What do you mean they can't block access? That's exactly what routing does via ACLs.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
The argument I'm getting is that they can't do the same things.
Routers can't block access (this is the main thing)
Of course it cannot.
But a router is never only a router in today's world. Every single router is a router and a firewall.
The two are never sold separately. Well there might be some super rare ting that I have never heard of that is a router only and not a firewall. But again, I have never heard of this product.
p.s Yes I know core routers out on the internet backbone are router only. But we are talking about endpoint routers here.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
*Routers and firewalls: Firewalls having routing capabilities, but routers don't always have firewall compatibility.
This is not technically true. You CAN make a firewall that can't route, this is a bridge-based Firewall and Untangle, for example, has this option. You CAN make a router that doesn't do firewalling.
But neither of these things exists on the market in the real world. There is no firewall on the market that doesn't do routing, and there is definitely not been a router on the market that doesn't firewall since at least the early 1990s. I've literally never seen or heard of one, but know that they did exist once upon a time.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
My boss's argument: A router is a device that forwards data packets alongnetworks. A router is connected to at least two networks, commonly two LANs or WANs or a LAN and its ISP'snetwork. Routers are located at gateways, the places where two or more networks connect.
That's an "argument"? How does this not describe a firewall?
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
"firewalls can do what routers can, but routers can't do exactly the same as a firewall, I can configure a firewall to block ports, and can do much more on a firewall than I could with. Router"
Name any router that can't do that. There is none.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
The argument I'm getting is that they can't do the same things.
Routers can't block access (this is the main thing)
But that's not true. They all can. All.
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@obsolesce said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
The argument I'm getting is that they can't do the same things.
Routers can't block access (this is the main thing)
What do you mean they can't block access? That's exactly what routing does via ACLs.
And NAT. And PAT.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
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@jaredbusch said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
p.s Yes I know core routers out on the internet backbone are router only. But we are talking about endpoint routers here.
Even those have ACLs today. They might not enact them, but the option is there.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
p.s Yes I know core routers out on the internet backbone are router only. But we are talking about endpoint routers here.
Even those have ACLs today. They might not enact them, but the option is there.
True.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
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@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
My boss's argument: A router is a device that forwards data packets alongnetworks. A router is connected to at least two networks, commonly two LANs or WANs or a LAN and its ISP'snetwork. Routers are located at gateways, the places where two or more networks connect.
That's an "argument"? How does this not describe a firewall?
My thoughts exactly, Because I currently have an EdgeRouter at home, its a firewall. It runs APs.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
