Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/12086226/Red-wine-is-bad-for-you-say-experts.html
There is no "safe level" of alcohol.
Like Red Wine? Instead, drink alcohol free red wine, vinegar (if you believe fermentation benefits), grape skins (the reason red wine has more antioxidants), low sugar grape juice, vegetable juice, etc.
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Except then it says... "It says the same health benefits can be more easily achieved with exercise and healthy eating. " So it contradicts itself in the end saying that red wine has the benefits of exercise and eating healthily. Hmmm... something doesn't add up in this "government report."
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Problem is, that SO many studies contradict this. Which ones are the fads, which ones are real?
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/red-wine-good-or-bad#section4
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Because in the end: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-alcohol-damages-stem-cell-dna-and-increases-cancer-risk/ar-BBHQ0gM
That it has alcohol, and the fact that you get more benefits from other things instead... even alcohol free red wine exists.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Because in the end: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-alcohol-damages-stem-cell-dna-and-increases-cancer-risk/ar-BBHQ0gM
That it has alcohol, and the fact that you get more benefits from other things instead... even alcohol free red wine exists.
But OTHER studies say that alcohol is good for you, even without the red wine.
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Because in the end: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-alcohol-damages-stem-cell-dna-and-increases-cancer-risk/ar-BBHQ0gM
That it has alcohol, and the fact that you get more benefits from other things instead... even alcohol free red wine exists.
But OTHER studies say that alcohol is good for you, even without the red wine.
Because you want it to be, so you can justify drinking it.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Because in the end: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-alcohol-damages-stem-cell-dna-and-increases-cancer-risk/ar-BBHQ0gM
That it has alcohol, and the fact that you get more benefits from other things instead... even alcohol free red wine exists.
But OTHER studies say that alcohol is good for you, even without the red wine.
Because you want it to be, so you can justify drinking it.
Or vice versa, though. If you don't want to drink it, you can find a study that says it is not good. Goes both ways.
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Problem is, that SO many studies contradict this. Which ones are the fads, which ones are real?
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/red-wine-good-or-bad#section4
Usually, that's how it works. Things say one thing, until it's debunked.
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Because in the end: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-alcohol-damages-stem-cell-dna-and-increases-cancer-risk/ar-BBHQ0gM
That it has alcohol, and the fact that you get more benefits from other things instead... even alcohol free red wine exists.
But OTHER studies say that alcohol is good for you, even without the red wine.
Because you want it to be, so you can justify drinking it.
Or vice versa, though. If you don't want to drink it, you can find a study that says it is not good. Goes both ways.
Except, that alcohol itself IS bad, in all amounts.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Problem is, that SO many studies contradict this. Which ones are the fads, which ones are real?
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/red-wine-good-or-bad#section4
Usually, that's how it works. Things say one thing, until it's debunked.
Not really, it's more that it's ALL fads and none of it is real science. We are told that GMO are healthy, then that they are dangerous, then that they are healthy. That butter is evil, then that it is good. That bread is bad, then good, then bad. It's all fads.
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@tim_g
That's a fact. I'd question all sources of any "study" saying alcohol itself (not what it's in) is good for you.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Because in the end: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-alcohol-damages-stem-cell-dna-and-increases-cancer-risk/ar-BBHQ0gM
That it has alcohol, and the fact that you get more benefits from other things instead... even alcohol free red wine exists.
But OTHER studies say that alcohol is good for you, even without the red wine.
Because you want it to be, so you can justify drinking it.
Or vice versa, though. If you don't want to drink it, you can find a study that says it is not good. Goes both ways.
Except, that alcohol itself IS bad, in all amounts.
Not according to MEDICAL sources. Only according to a singular GOVERNMENT source.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g
That's a fact. I'd question all sources of any "study" saying alcohol itself (not what it's in) is good for you.
But why? Why question only things that don't agree with your desired outcome? You say that I only want to believe studies that say what I want to hear, and then followed it with saying you'd question any study that doesn't tell you what you want to hear.
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In reality, we should question both.
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I think the best guide is... in cultures with moderate alcohol consumption, does it show to be a health risk?
The answer is no. Cultures that drink moderate amounts of non-grain alcohols have the best health track records within the culture groups. If alcohol itself is not safe in any quantity, they show that the degree to which it is unsafe is inconsequential compared to whatever factors are improving health coincidental with it.
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If science proved that alcohol alters your DNA...
Also, the government has a LOT to lose by saying alcohol is bad... think of all the tax money!
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For example, drinking alcohol might be bad for you alone, but might encourage more social behaviour or happen coincidentally with more social behaviour, which might lead to better health. It's not the alcohol doing it, but the things associated with the alcohol like social or food choices might outweight the alcohol risks making it background noise.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Also, the government has a LOT to lose by saying alcohol is bad... think of all the tax money!
And yet the US had prohibition and created the drug crisis - the desire to lose tax money in order to try to control the populace is a know problem in governments.
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
For example, drinking alcohol might be bad for you alone, but might encourage more social behaviour or happen coincidentally with more social behaviour, which might lead to better health. It's not the alcohol doing it, but the things associated with the alcohol like social or food choices might outweight the alcohol risks making it background noise.
I'd think logic says that the mindset of not drinking alcohol promotes better health habits.
